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Wednesday, December 16, 2009

Officials and Experts Warn of Crash-Induced Unrest


Numerous high-level officials and experts warn that the economic crisis could lead to unrest world-wide - even in developed countries:

  • Today, Moody's warned that future tax rises and spending cuts could trigger social unrest in a range of countries from the developing to the developed world, that in the coming years, evidence of social unrest and public tension may become just as important signs of whether a country will be able to adapt as traditional economic metrics, that a fiscal crisis remains a possibility for a leading economy, and that 2010 would be a “tumultuous year for sovereign debt issuers”.
  • The U.S. Army War College warned in 2008 November warned in a monograph [click on Policypointers’ pdf link to see the report] titled “Known Unknowns: Unconventional ‘Strategic Shocks’ in Defense Strategy Development” of crash-induced unrest:
    The military must be prepared, the document warned, for a “violent, strategic dislocation inside the United States,” which could be provoked by “unforeseen economic collapse,” “purposeful domestic resistance,” “pervasive public health emergencies” or “loss of functioning political and legal order.” The “widespread civil violence,” the document said, “would force the defense establishment to reorient priorities in extremis to defend basic domestic order and human security.” “An American government and defense establishment lulled into complacency by a long-secure domestic order would be forced to rapidly divest some or most external security commitments in order to address rapidly expanding human insecurity at home,” it went on. “Under the most extreme circumstances, this might include use of military force against hostile groups inside the United States. Further, DoD [the Department of Defense] would be, by necessity, an essential enabling hub for the continuity of political authority in a multi-state or nationwide civil conflict or disturbance,” the document read.
  • Director of National Intelligence Dennis C. Blair said:
    "The global economic crisis ... already looms as the most serious one in decades, if not in centuries ... Economic crises increase the risk of regime-threatening instability if they are prolonged for a one- or two-year period," said Blair. "And instability can loosen the fragile hold that many developing countries have on law and order, which can spill out in dangerous ways into the international community."***

    "Statistical modeling shows that economic crises increase the risk of regime-threatening instability if they persist over a one-to-two-year period."***

    “The crisis has been ongoing for over a year, and economists are divided over whether and when we could hit bottom. Some even fear that the recession could further deepen and reach the level of the Great Depression. Of course, all of us recall the dramatic political consequences wrought by the economic turmoil of the 1920s and 1930s in Europe, the instability, and high levels of violent extremism.”

    Blair made it clear that - while unrest was currently only happening in Europe - he was worried this could happen within the United States.

    [See also this].
  • Former national security director Zbigniew Brzezinski warned "there’s going to be growing conflict between the classes and if people are unemployed and really hurting, hell, there could be even riots."
  • The chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff warned the the financial crisis is the highest national security concern for the U.S., and warned that the fallout from the crisis could lead to of "greater instability".
Others warning of crash-induced unrest include:

62 comments:

  1. Good Luck everyone!

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  2. Never fear!!!

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    http://www.energyandcapital.com/articles/carbon-emissions-trading/447

    THIS is why you voted for Barack Obama, not for -real change- you can believe in, or anything like peace you could -take to the bank-.

    Forget about violence. Forget about it!

    Forget about what you would like to do to Jim Lehrer's well-painted cauliflower nose.

    Call your -broker- and -your banker- and have them fork over all your cash to the CCE.

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    ALL YOU NEED IS LOVE! LOVE!

    So bend over, sucker. And -send you wife and and your daughters out here too.

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  3. Dec 21 night I think the real fireworks will begin, sad to say, with Feb 9th being the time when the banks and dollar crash. See amazing revelations not found anywhere else at http://hubpages.com/t/c9517

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  4. Can you blame the Americans who have been stocking up on guns & ammo?

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  5. This GUY, Obama, just gave a speech justifying killing children, women and anyone else who happens to get in the way of his -moral wars-.

    Sorry folks- This is -preemptive supreme-.

    Behind this curtain, when a nation's moral wars are unveiled, it turns out -just like the philosopher said-.

    There's just you, me, everybody else -and- that gaggle of bomb-dropping SOBs hiding behind the curtain -for conscious entities on this planet.

    Now, as for moral responsibility...

    We clearly know where to lay the blame, -if WE don't go over there and stop these GUYs -no matter what it takes.

    Anyone who talks so asininely about a nation's -moral wars-, -ought to be able to walk the streets of his nation -unafraid of the growing moral outrage.

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  6. It took two days for anarchy in N.O. after Katrina. Remove food and water and the system breaks. The military cannot babysit everyone. Food, seed, bullets, and water treatment pills will take care of everything you need.

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  7. Rather being a hypocrite, I think suggesting violence could very well be appropiate. Still doing the CYA thing and panning it is the sign of a duly trained ... peon.

    Anyway, It doesn't faze me. One way or another we need regime change. Whatever it takes, just so long as it happens.

    If the US Gov can lie and support subterfuge, then why not it's citizens as they attempt to rid themselves of it's CORRUPT presence.

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  8. It was the best of times (for Wall Street). It was the worst of times (for the American People). You know how the rest of the story goes... The reckoning is coming.

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  9. The crash hasn't even happened yet. The financial crisis was just the prelude. Debt deflation is just beginning and it will likely take a decade to unwind.

    Karl Denninger: Europe - An Impending Disaster

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  10. NORTHCOM was created for just this eventuality. It will be interesting.

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  11. Its been a long time coming. True Patriots have been prepared for years. The Rothschilds have made their last power grab through the financial collapse, Swine flu pandemic and the global warming fraud. These gambles have all failed miserably and they will have hell to pay. They underestimated the intelligence of the people of the world. Emperor Von Rompuy will move forward with this New World Order, in effect, he is going all in, on a busted flush. The Amerikan soldiers will ultimately honor their oaths to the Constitution and join with the people to rout the elite and their families. It will not be pretty, and people will seek blood revenge for the NWO tactics like using nukes, spraying us with disease, poisoning the water supply and destroying the food supply. Revisit the Rape of Nanking and the French Revolution. History repeats itself.

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  12. Translation" "We are shitting our f****g pants, in fear of our just comeuppance>"

    Tptbd hv undergrounds retreats to go to, when this happens. Their brown-nosing slaves, like the cops and news Mass news media, and Military, think they'll be allowd in these Underground buners, when when the ":shift hits the fan"- the Elite will close the gates, and set the dogs on the minions, and ROTFL at how gullible the latter have been.

    But Not computer designed steel walls, willprotect them from earthquakes. And sooner or later, they will run out of oxygen.

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  13. Today, Moody's warned that future tax rises and spending cuts could trigger social unrest in a range of countries from the developing to the developed world, that in the coming years, evidence of social unrest and public tension may become just as important signs of whether a country will be able to adapt as traditional economic metrics, that a fiscal crisis remains a possibility for a leading economy, and that 2010 would be a “tumultuous year for sovereign debt issuers”.

    would this be the same Moody's that gave hundreds and thousands and hundred of thousands of totally BOGUS ratings to securities that led directly to the economic BOOM over the last couple of years and still continues to this day ??? that same Moody's ??? isn't that like the highest level of IRONY anybody has ever seen ???

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  14. These "Officials and Experts" should be reported to the Department of Homeland Security, they are DEFEATISTS. Our government/politicians tell us the recovery is underway, so these "Officials and Experts" are undermining morale and spreading fear, not only of worse economics, but TERRORISM as well. Spreading fear of terrorism is a FORM of terrorism, so they need to be incarcerated!!!!!
    FOR THE CHILDREN !!!!!

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  15. I can promise you there will be instability. It's by design. Those FEMA camps Haliburton built for $380m aren't designed to hold "illegals". It's for those that have had enough and want to take their country back.

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  16. Yes - this is a pressure cooker that will soon reach a boiling point - but there is a safety valve - massive tax and debt relief.

    Our leaders are not diabolical. many were fooled by the illusions spun by Wall Street and their accomplices in Washington. But they are not fundamentally evil. I do not believe, when push comes to shove, that they will sell us down the river with no hope of providing for our families.

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  17. The US government could maintian domestic peace and order if they do nothing more than ensure the distribution of food, water and power. In extremis that should be the governments highest priority.

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  18. The 2nd American Revolution has already begun. Are you prepared?

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  19. Don't even worry about, just go turn on your TV and watch the latest on Tiger Woods, or Paris Hilton, or Lindsay Lohan, or surf over to Survivor, and let you brain softly slip into ignorance and apathy. If your looking for someone to blame, don't bother fulminating about bankers or presidents or immigrants, just yank that family album out and look at pictures of other Americans, just like you, that let the tyrants take your life away. Or better yet, look in a mirror. The greatest perpetrators of all history are right there in front of your face. Don't look to Jesus or God or Allah for help, either, because they're either up there shaking their heads in laughter, or in horror. Hard to tell, beings gods and all. But I'm sure they don't give a shit. It's gonna get crowded up there soon.

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  20. BE SURE THAT CIVIL UNREST IS GUARRANTEED.....IT WILL BE THERE REASON TO INITIATE MARSHALL LAW AND A POLICE STATE.

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  21. At what point does the military realize that the Constitution that they swore to protect has been and is being violated every day by our government officials? Do they fight against the populace or against the traitors? Do they kill American citizens because they were given an order? I have hope that their are enough high ranking officers in charge to stand up against tyranny! I guess though plenty of German people had that hope just 70 yrs ago, human nature probably has not changed!

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  22. Blaming Obama for not instituting change is too ironic coming from his republican critics. You have the Republican Party of No which put us in this position. When the democrats try to do the people's business regarding health care, which MOST AMERICANS WANT, the obstructionist party puts up a stone wall. Then Wall Street pays out big bonuses, ditto insurance companies and pharmaceuticals to their exec's.
    People started losing their jobs en masse in 2007. The Republicans have stood in the way of any change which could help people. Even unemployment benefits, which were extended on NOvember 6 after a huge fight, still haven't been paid out in some states.
    Those in our government who say, "Let them eat cake" should reap their just rewards. Unrest? Riots? It wouldn't surprise me.

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  23. WE KEEP FORGETTING THE FACT THAT THERE IS ONLY ONE PARTY UNDER THE CONTROL OF THE RULING CLASS WITH ONE AGENDA WHICH IS..... THE POWER TO CONTROL US.....PERIOD. WE ARE BEING FOOLED BY THE SMOKESCREEN OF THE TWO PARTYS.....WAKE UP!!!

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  24. already gone from my home state and land because of taxations..so I aSSUME ALL TAX REVOLTS WILL WORK THERE ALLOWING THOSE WHO "OWN" AND CONTROL THEM NOW TO KEEP THEM

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  25. American's will never allow a dictator to take "control". Yes we have been complacent and we have given in to progressives and allowed the constitution to be amended and stretched and ignored but to take it any further will start a chain reaction.

    Unlike other countries like pre WWII Germany America has had a long taste of real freedom and it cannot be manipulated out of us.

    Sure they can taint the voter base with immigrants who do not have a history of freedom bred into them. They can pull the wool over others eyes with statements like diversity and save the planet but these progressives have pushed the freedoms we cherish as far as they can go.

    After this every move they make will just make the resistance to them grow.

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  26. The dumb asses in this country that think either party is worth a damn are total morons without a clue as to what is coming and what to do about it. Good Luck to all. The USA is toast and soon enough even the dumb asses will wake up and realize the truth.

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  27. We vote corrupt politicians in, election after election.

    We do nothing when they commit immoral acts in our name. WE SHOULD BE RIOTING IN THE STREETS... ALL OF US but we're too complacent or too in love with our politicians to get off the couch.

    We deserve what we get.

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  28. Boy Scout motto "Be Prepared"
    Buy a shotgun and a long gun and lots of ammo
    Buy a Berkey or Katadyn water filter system
    Store minimum 6 months food (pets too)
    Buy a wood burning stove and pipe (northerners)
    Buy silver (pre 1965 coins) still cheap and fungible

    Merry Christmas

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  29. God said this would happen, like a long time ago. Good to see you fine people finally waking up.

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  30. It's definitely gonna get ugly. Nothing can be done to prevent it. The only thing we can do is to prepare for it best we can. I am. Many are not. They're obsessed with Tiger Woods, Paris Hilton and other nonentities, and who's gonna win the Super Bowl. And that's just what the filthy politicians want. They don't want people to pay attention to what they're doing to us. Why do you think they have their health care takeover vote scheduled for Christmas Eve?

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  31. An economic crash/transformation is inevitable.
    Now that I have guns, 8,000 rds of ammo,a water well,a gravity filter,seeds,gold,a years supply of food,I sleep like a baby.

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  32. I think the majority of your predictions are off base. All you have is doom and gloom. I guess it makes for good reading in a Hollywood sense, but what positive predictions do you have? Is the world you live in that black so you cannot see the light? You reference YouTube videos? More Hollywood but at the basement level! A drug induced Anti-Christ? We already saw what happened to Howard Dean when he went off the edge. I think you need to do some soul-searching and change friends. Get outside a bit more! Turn your TV off! Read some Tony Robbins!

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  33. "Unforeseen economic collapse"??? That's a joke! It is a deliberate destruction of the US economy to CREATE "unrest" so they can impose military "order" and global rule. Destruction of the existing order is how commies operate!

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    Wow! Nice list of talking-points there chum -- did you copypasta right from the daily-kook or were you huffing a ton?

    Listen, that kool-aid tastes a little salty, doesn't it?

    The Retardlicans are "the stupid party" -- You're wearing callouses on your knees for the evil-party... Government is THE PROBLEM, not the solution. We The People have made it PAINFULLY clear that we ABSOLUTELY Do.Not.Want what Dear Reader and his puppet-masters are selling. We're smart enough to know how Socialism turns out, and we'll resist it by any means necessary.

    Give me Liberty, or give me death!

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  35. Th Supreme Court has been stacked with Ant-Gunners. One decision could trigger a revolution.

    American patriots aren't giving up our guns.

    The economy is a red-herring meant to prevent Second Amendment supporters from arming up any further than we already have.

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  36. TO ALL TRUE PATRIOTS

    buy crossbows and bolts

    excalibler makes a three hundred and fifty foot pound bow
    they are silent for getting rid of the enemy at night

    so when some illegal bastard comes at night
    to steal your wood food or woman

    you can quietly just take them out
    and the neighbours wont know a dam thing

    Infowars.com
    henrymakow.com
    goodnewsaboutgod.com against the new world

    D I S O R D E R

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  37. end the fed
    stop ILLEGAL INCOME TAX

    obama is a muslim LIAR

    take that to the bank OBAMA the liar

    infowars.com
    henrymakow.com
    goodnewsaboutgod.com against the new world disorder

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  38. It's insane but I think our politicians have lost control of the beast. Americans want, want, and want but don't want to sacrifice. We have become complacent and we have forgotten what liberty is.

    It's a fragile concept that should be guarded and protected with the vigilance of our forefathers and the people that stood up against a great tyranny.

    I don't want violence and I don't want to see the infrastructure of the great country destroyed in civil unrest. But tyranny being imposed on me is something I cannot accept without a fight.

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  39. Seriously, what percentage of law enforcement/military will resist unconstitutional orders to disarm and intern the folks on the DHS watchlist? Remember New Orleans??

    Expect the majority of people to voluntarily disarm and go along.

    A sizeable number of folks will see resistance as a form of racism, hatred and ignorance. And MSNBC/CNN/Faux will repeat those same talking points ad nauseum...

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  40. I most strongly suggest readers go to:
    http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/cfrall1.htm
    aqnd check the names of the destroyers of Glass-Steagall Act - the little peoples protection from big business;

    the names of the FEd executives, the treasury officials, heads of all the big banks, Goldman, merrill, Citi, Aig, Media owners

    --they will find that all the people who brought down the current financial and economic problems belong to the same organization--The Council on Foreign Relations.

    Check for yourself--remember the Banks OWN the Federal Reserve--there is nothing federal about it---So who own the banks? Not the middle class.

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  41. A 'preemptive strike' is really just outright aggression called by a different name.

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  42. "What percentage of LEO/Military will resist unconstitutional orders to disarm and intern"...any American. (fixed that for ya!)...the answer is none. Zero. The Cops are all worried about their precious jobs and pensions now with the budget cuts. After the collapse they will obey any order, even if it means sending people to their deaths, to feed their families and feather their nests. I think many LEO's will relish the thought of beating and dominating anybody they please with no pesky "rules" to interrupt their pleasure. And the Military? Please. Did many Union or Rebel soldiers hesitate to kill their fellow Americans in the (UN)Civil War? The Army today will slaughter us by the thousands and high-five each other afterwards. And then get a Medal. Don't fall for that 'oath keeper' BS. That's to make themselves feel all noble now. It'll be a whole different story when TSHTF.

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  43. I'm trying to figure out which side the police and the military go with. So far, all indications from anecdotal evidence suggest they will go with the government and are quite willing to go after citizens.

    In the nearby town, US Army's Special Force has been there to combat gang problems. Active-duty officers and soldiers against residents (legal, illegal) and citizens. The leader of the force is a black-op expert in central/south America.

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  44. Everyone: Please...stop...think. We sit here, writing about this stuff and not thinking, first. Not everyone has drunk the Kool Aid and not everyone will cave in at the first sign of the unleasing of the government's attack dogs. Remember, this is the same government who tried for over ten years to defeat "a bunch of backward rice farmers", I believe one epithet put it, in a far away little country in Asia called Viet Nam. They dropped thousands of tons of bombs, defoliated a good portion of the land and killed untold thousands of people; and, still they were defeated. Why?...for the same reason the Russian army lost to the Germans in WW I. The Russians lost the support of their people to continue the war.

    All that is necessary is to read Sun Tsu and the works of Mao Tse Tung (no, I'm not a communist), but I do believe there are lessons we can learn from Mao (such as being the fish who swim in the ocean of our own people) which we can use to defeat any tyranny our "government" can bring against us.

    Instead of ranting and railing on blogs and web-sites, many of which are under constant government surveillance, we should be quietly organizing with like-minded friends and neigbors. We should be forging relationships, contacts and plans. We should be setting up our own intelligence networks. We should be infiltrating the very organizations and agencies "they" plan to use to subdue/destroy us. This is what the Vietnamese did to us. This is what we did to the Nazis. It worked for them and it can work for us as well.

    No, you will not see me out on main street, confronting the SWAT teams and the "special troops" that will come to enslave us. Instead, like the prepared survivors in the "Out of the Ashes" novels, you will know that it has begun, because I will have disappeared. I will not be there waiting for them to take me. I will be in the mountains with my true friends and neighbors, plotting, planning, fighting to take back our country.

    No, I'm not some wanna be Rambo. I'm probably older than most of you writing comments, here. I'm scared where my counry's headed, and, of course, I'm afraid of the idea of the violence and bloodshed that may be coming. But, I'm more afraid of what might be in store for us if we simply role over and accept serfdom.

    If present trends continue, the American people may be forced into a corner where they either must fight or lose their freedom. So, maybe we should ask where that point would be. Janis Joplin said it long ago, in her song, 'Me and Bobby McGee', "Freedom's just another word for nohin' left to lose". We're not there, yet, but I fear we're drawing closer than ever, before.

    Yes, I'm scared of the idea of another possible civil war; but, God as my witness, I believe, like the unnamed hero of this quotation, "It's better to die on your feet than to live on your knees." Therefore, I shall close with one final quote; from John Wayne in the movie Rio Bravo. When talking to the hired killers sent by the arch villian to kill him, he told them to tell their boss that, "whoever else he sends, he'd better pay 'em more, 'cause they're gon'na earn it!"

    That is what I recommend you all do. You don't have to face the monster head on. We can kill it as Sun Tsu would with the death of a thousand cuts. Not demonstrating and rioting in the streets, but quietly preparing to fight it in our own way, attacking where it is weak and when it lashes back, we disappear to return at another time and another place, again and again, until it is defeated and destroyed.

    Think about it.

    Gandalf the Grey

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  45. "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves among those within the gates freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear." - Marcus Tullius Cicero (43 B.C.)
    Think of the innumerable national figures (past and present) who consider the Constitution as nothing more than an impediment to their desires - openly or secretly dismissing, circumventing, and/or ignoring same, while actively working against the intent of the Framers.
    Hope and Change, my arse!

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  46. 2010 will be the year that the economic collapse continues, but you will not see mass rioting in US cities. People will need another couple years of broken promises, loss of their homes, failure to secure new employment, and empty bellies before things get really bad.

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  47. Don't worry Be Happy - You all majority asked for it .

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  48. To Mr 'guns and ammo' of december 16 -
    The stuff you buy at your local sporting goods store will be about as useful as a flyswatter. Watch the daily news and look at how the soldier of today is armed(and armored.)Also just look at the armaments of the police SWAT teams. Do you think we've a chance against them, when the govt decides we're trouble makers demanding our 'rights'?
    -Bill of the North

    We've missed it friend. We're long since past the 'Minuteman' stage in this country. Tea parties and the like are just fodder for Anderson and his cronies at CNN to poke fun at while feeding us lies and giving us anything but what's really going on here or around the world. We gave it away while we guzzled beer at the local watering hole or parked on our couches watching 'Gladiator sports'. The "Government" has chipped away at freedoms to the point that - there are no freedoms! They've enacted laws to cover(counter)every so-called freedom we have.

    Now, they will bring in socialized health care to seduce the working classes( and the ones who used to have jobs) into thinking they're getting something for free! This will be paid for with the funny money Mr O'B had printed up just for the occasion.

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  49. The majority of police and military will not take up arms against their fellow Americans unless they are lied to and brainwashed into believing that the Patriot resistance is a buch of hate filled racists bent on the distruction of America...

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  50. A Deer rifle will work wonders at 500 yards. Come and get me !

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  51. Government is the new GOD!

    Bow down and worship you spineless big mouth losers!

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  52. It used to be "God, Country and Family". But, personally, I'm changing it to "Home and Family". May the Good Lord Bless and Help Us All.

    Grandpa

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  53. Above all, always, always obey the law. Remain steadfast to the Constitution of the United States and realize that you and your state are endowed with very powerful rights as guaranteed under the 10th Amendment.

    If things get bad enough(and they may) there is an entirely lawful way of handling it. It's called "Secession". Under the Constitution (Article 1-Section 8, 9th & 10th Amendments) no state is compelled to remain under the thumb of a tyrannical union. States whose citizens cherish freedom and liberty have the right to break away and form a new confederacy which can uphold the values America was born under in it's first revolution. Those values and the law they inspired (the Constitution) are on our side.

    Though the Tree of Liberty may indeed one day require your own blood, fear not: DEO VINDICE.

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  54. If you keep your expectation very low (and you don't get killed, captured or starve) then you will definitely be pleasantly surprised.

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  55. TPTB are simply tools to bring us to repentance {change of mind}. "If my people who are called by my name shall humble themselves and pray and seek my face..." {you know the rest}

    When you ask God for justice you better have clean hands.

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  56. WORLD MONETERY CRASH is coming as foretold by Jesus and Mary at Bayside Queens N.Y. shrine.Riots and revolution will follow.

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  57. And if anybody out there still thinks this is a Repub vs Dem issue you need to be slapped in the face!

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  58. Secede! Repeal and decentralize!

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  59. Don`t worry....Obama will take care of everything...The Change will come..like it or not.

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  60. Everyone has idea's of what will or won't happen.
    But mock my word's:Just have the Government stop Social Security Payments and an Army of over 60 million will take up all manners of weapons and March on Washington and seek out their Representatives where ever they may hide. These 60 million strong are our Old and feeble, but they are the ones who's backs built this country and they will find the strength to fight for what they have paid for.
    You can't not see this. The young are only a few, the old are not. Stir the pot and come what may.
    I do also believe that if it came to using the Army to shoot citizens they won't though they ( National Guard) did at Kent State.
    Look up for your redemption draweth nye!

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  61. We do need a revolution, but I'm not sure it's going to happen. When the Supreme Court installed Geo. Bush as president in 2000, all you folks screaming about the Constitution should have been out in the streets then. In 2004, he won again because of rigged voting machines. I know Republicans refuse to acknowledge any of this because you wanted your guy in office. But all that's happened in eight years is two undeclared wars making some people rich while your kids are doing the actual fighting. Our debt is enormous, we have no manufacturing base anymore, and middle-class folks can barely survive. We gave billions to the banksters when we should have been putting them in jail. I've only seen sporadic protests about all of this--and most of the protests are barely mentioned in the media. Since everybody I know is armed, I can't imagine how the police or the government will manage to take away all our guns. But I understand why everyone, including me, is stocking up on food and other things. I think the worst is yet to come.

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  62. "But when a long Train of Abuses and Usurpations, persuing invariably the same Object, evinces a Design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their Right, it is their Duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future Security."

    80 million gun owners; thousands of veterans, YOUNG and not so; widespread dissatisfaction with Congress and the Administration...I like our chances and have HOPE for REAL CHANGE!

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