We've been told that 9/11 changed everything.
Is it true?
Let's look at the facts:
- The decision to launch the Iraq war was made before 9/11. Indeed, former CIA director George Tenet said that the White House wanted to invade Iraq long before 9/11, and inserted "crap" in its justifications for invading Iraq. Former Treasury Secretary Paul O'Neill - who sat on the National Security Council - also says that Bush planned the Iraq war before 9/11. Top British officials say that the U.S. discussed Iraq regime change even before Bush took office. And in 2000, Cheney said a Bush administration might "have to take military action to forcibly remove Saddam from power.''
- Cheney apparently even made Iraqi's oil fields a national security priority before 9/11. And the Sunday Herald reported: "Five months before September 11, the US advocated using force against Iraq ... to secure control of its oil." (remember that Alan Greenspan, John McCain, George W. Bush, Sarah Palin, a high-level National Security Council officer and others all say that the Iraq war was really about oil.)
- The Patriot Act was planned before 9/11. Indeed, former Counter Terrorism Czar Richard Clarke told Stanford law professor Lawrence Lessig:
After 9/11 the government drew up the Patriot Act within 20 days and it was passed.
The Patriot Act is huge and I remember someone asking a Justice Department official how did they write such a large statute so quickly, and of course the answer was that it has been sitting in the drawers of the Justice Department for the last 20 years waiting for the event where they would pull it out.
(4:30 into this video).
- Cheney dreamed of giving the White House the powers of a monarch long before 9/11
- Cheney and Rumsfeld actively generated fake intelligence which exaggerated the threat from an enemy in order to justify huge amounts of military spending long before 9/11. And see this
- The government's spying on Americans began before 9/11 (confirmed here and here. And see this)
- The decision to threaten to bomb Iran was made before 9/11
- It was known long before 9/11 that torture doesn't work to produce accurate intelligence ... but is an effective way to terrorize people
- And - sadly - America played dirty games to justify and win wars before 9/11
Nonsense. Without 9/11, there would never have been the political (public) willingness to accept these wars, with all of the attendant deficit spending and outsourcing of military tasks to the private sector. Yes, it was an "excuse," but without such a trauma, much of this could've never been pulled of.
ReplyDeleteAs I understand it, you've read Klein's The Shock Doctrine (recently?). What she describes, again and again, is that without a shock (be it 'real' or 'manufactured'), none of the plans could effectively be implemented.
This is why, for instance, the excessively emotional response to the attack was a necessary (and wanted) part of the theater (with real actors, because ordinary people really were shocked) to validate the choice of a course of action.
You are right, George, 9/11 was just a excuse... but what a excuse!
ReplyDeleteAnd could they have made all that (the imperial coup) without the pretext? I doubt it, seriously: to persuade both the common people as the most reluctant among the elites, they needed something spectacular (and massively murderous) like that.
(By the way, did you read a top Russian general confirming that 9/11 was a set up?)
Also look into Dimitri Khalezov's videos and book stating that the towers were demolished with 150 kt tactical nukes (which solves a lot of the lingering observed question marks).
ReplyDeleteThe people who put us into these wars are treasonous and should be tried and punished as such. A million dead innocent Iraqis deserve at least that. Cheney is this generation's Hitler. If he is innocent, let him testify in person, under oath and on the record, unlike during the 9-11 Commission sessions.
I have thought not to let events run my life. I have to have some kind of plan, and work the plan. Yes, there will be things that change what I'm doing unexpectedly. I might meet someone who makes me change my plans. But, events usually no.
ReplyDeleteSo, it would be undesirable to have an event like some major crime pull oneself away from the plans one has made.
That's why the scenario above seems not at all unusual. There are plans to steal and murder overseas and there is an event, like the 9-11 murders, which happen to facilitate those plans. The event couldn't have helped the already laid plans of the Bush people any more if they had planned 9-11 and carried it out themselves.
This is why the scenario laid out above does not seem nonsensical to me.
Your point is that 9/11 was part of a PNAC, project for a New American Century, designed to cement US hegemony.
ReplyDeleteCorrect.
But for whose benefit? Who else knew it was planned and being implemented? What traps have they laid? Where will this leave Americans? Who is most going to suffer? What are the reactions going to be?
Readers may claim that my head and brain are "buried in the sand" but this so-called government involvement is pure nonsense. The 9-11 attacks were planned and instigated by Osama bin Laden and others close within his terrorist organization. Plain and simple.
ReplyDeleteNo government cover up, no 150 kt nukes, (which is so far off base it's actually funny) and no Russian explanation.
Now don't tell me I don't have a personnel interest, I do! My son was in the army during this time and did his time in the "sand box". That time of not knowing was absolute terror on his mother and I.
Accept it for what it was, a mad man out to kill Americans, that's it!
I don't believe either the 150 KT "tactical" nukes. I have followed quite in detail the serious "conspiration theories" on the matter and never heard of that. And anyhow a nuke always leaves a radiation damage that in practical terms never goes away - so it's an absurd claim.
ReplyDeleteBut for the rest, what you say is laughable, Brian. With all due respect I'd laugh at your face on your gullibility on this matter.
For example it is impossible that a commercial airliner could fly so fast just above ground as is claimed to have happened at the Pentagon without disintegrating long before even approaching the military building. It is impossible that such plane would not leave a mark with its wings. It is impossible that such attack (must be a missile or explosives in the building) would take place in the most controlled airspace on Earth unless someone would have allowed it to happen (actually Rumsfeld changed the operation code just before the attack and then again back).
It is impossible that the twin towers collapsed with such slight damage (not to mention the mysterious building 7): that was a group of controlled demolitions with people inside and outside. The pillars were sawed as in a controlled demolition, remnants of nanothermite have been found, and the buildings could not have all fallen so vertically would not have been a controlled demolition.
There's much more: at least 30% of the passengers in the affected planes were military personnel or contractors (almost all according to the Iranians), the cabin of some of the "kidnapped" planes were never opened in flight, etc., etc.
Only a gullible "pseudo-patriot" who thinks that patriotism is believing and obeying what the leaders say (i.e. the fodder of fascism) can swallow all that junk. A true patriot would challenge such corrupt leaders who murder and deceive their own nation for their private oligarchic purposes.
@Fungus: the purpose is clear: to forge a "casus belli" against everything and everyone (potentially), notably Muslims (who inhabit strategical and oil rich countries) but also US-Americans, Europeans and everyone else.
ReplyDeleteThe War on Terror was an imperial coup aimed to rally the US People and elites, as well as those of allies around their authorities against a ghostly enemy that cannot win and that cannot even feel sympathetic to almost anyone (except in Muslim ghettos maybe).
It's the perfect sock-puppet foe, which is the pretext for greater police control inside NATO and greater military intervention of NATO (or equivalent) outside. All in the name of your security, terror (Guantanamo, 9/11 itself, drones over AfPak...) in the name of war against terror.
Traditionally wars have been used to rally people around their leaders but now wars are unpopular and too dangerous (nukes), so a fake war against a fake foe (whose corpse I and you have yet to see) is perfect... or almost so. The only problem is that you have to lie too much and, as Lincoln said, you cannot fool everybody forever.
The article is correct in identifying that plans were laid before 911 but it missed the most necessary step in order to bring it all together. The demolition of the WTC buildings themselves, without which none of these strategies could have been implemented. Which leads to the conclusion that the buildings had to have been wired for demolition before the planes actually flew into them, to insure their destruction, wrapping it not so neatly, in a face of a terrorist attack, which in turn makes the WTC destruction part of the overall strategy.
ReplyDeleteBrian you're funny. Keep clinging to your security blanket of MSM-spoon-fed pap there Pal. "Nothing to see here, move along!" ... right?! :-)
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ReplyDeleteThat is the first purpose. But it was done so badly that blowback against Israel is guaranteed? Those who initiated it got what they wanted, but those who carried it out also achieved what they wanted! Never for get the USS Liberty!
Khazars wanted usury enshrined in the world and Islam is still against it, unlike christianity, which abandoned it.
I and many others have known about the preset demolitions at the WTC I,II , and 7 and the Chicago Sears tower, including the nukes in the basements placed by U.S. Government/U.S.S.R. government teams. See Activist Post: Architects and Engineers Question...Comments at the end for an overview of the thought and talk going on back when these buildings were put up. This is not conjecture. This is what people were thinking and saying back then. References to Chris Bollyn and Jeff Prager are NOT to be understated. Read to understand the concerted violent attacks on America which now include Chemtrail/HAARP circle cloud-seeding at the worst possible times and places for maximum amplification of weather phenomena. I would not have believed it if I had not followed a few of these repeating series of operations to get a desired affect.
ReplyDelete(No, Virginia, it's not God telling you to run into the arms of Benny the Rat and the church of England. It's a pack of sell-out scientists who have been promised money, after-churchtime fetishes and anointings from the Sick genetic slag of Benny and the desperate royal houses of Europe. Look and see people. DO YOUR HOMEWORK AND DO IT WELL, OR YOU WILL FLUNK.
Well, Israel has its own problems, it is a problem in itself and a liability for the USA. While obviously Zionism benefits from 9/11, at least initially (these can't think long run and that's a big problem too) it was not done only by Zionists (except in the widest possible concept of the term maybe) but mainly by US imperialists (imperialists outside and imperialists, monarchists, inside).
ReplyDeleteThere is I understand a wrong dissociation by some that globalization and imperialism do not have anything to do with US nationalism but let's not forget that the USA citizens on average and secondarily the citizens of the other developed countries that constitute the core of the Empire (Europe, Japan, Canada) get some benefits from the existence of the Empire in form of purchasing power (succulent crumbs for the mansion slaves, nothing more but nothing less). Globalization is therefore promoted by the US Empire even if it harms itself in some aspects, because it benefits its elites (some of which are Jewish indeed but most are rather WASPy anyhow).
Btw, IMO Jews are mostly not Khazars but Phoenicians and in any case they are fundamentally from West Asia (but not Palestine probably). Not that it matters much for present day matters anyhow.
150 kt nukes? Fascinating - considering that the bomb that devastated most of Hiroshima was about 17 kt. Wouldn't there be just a little more destruction around the Towers, if something of that magnitude went off?
ReplyDeleteAs well as a rather bright light...?
I believe government is evil, but I seriously doubt they have the ability to pull off something like that. They're simply too stupid...
Brian, your conspiracy theory is a very popular one.
ReplyDeleteAs conspiracy theories go, it's as good as any other. There's not much evidence for it either.
Ooops, George Bush says it's true, so it must be.
When are we going to find Saddam's nuclear tipped intercontinental ballistic missiles, armed and ready to strike major US cities? Why can't we find the silos? You do believe in all of George's conspiracy theories, right?
it's obvious 9/11 was an inside job
ReplyDelete1)to get rid of the towers including & that Mr. Silverstein owned leases on, were known to have asbestos, and which lawsuits were being filed, and which earned him a $7 billion payout. these are facts.
2)to allow america to have an excuse to go to war which israel was very happy and most likely involved deeply in 9/11. this would topple saddam for israel.
3)to allow us to take over iraq's oil, build up halliburton, and to pay for this war machine through the fed.
the only question now is how to get cheney, rumsfeld, bush, mr. silverstein and others into court for war crimes against this nation. we need a group of lawyers to do to these people what the rnc did to clinton over lewinsky. this is the next step to getting our country back